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#1 Parent expat hubby - 2017-04-03
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Indeed!

Teaching overseas can be an insurmountable culture shock for many westerners!

#2 Parent Wu - 2017-04-03
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You better stay home.
You do not have proper state of mind to teach over seas.

#3 Parent Jason - 2017-04-03
Re DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

My girlfriend and I know exactly what you are talking about and really feel for you. We went though many of the same problems. At one point we agreed that we had to breach our "contract" and get out of China. We had a sneaking suspicion that something bad was going to happen soon just from all the talk about the shady stories about the Chens.

What we did was got out plane tickets bought and ready, got a taxi in the middle of the night to take us to the bus station, the bus to Wenzhou, than a taxi to the airport. Everything was planned out and went smooth.

We had such a hard time coping with the living there with rock hard bed, seeing people defecate on the streets openly, never seeing the sun due to poor air quality, the only decent food we could find was BBQ chicken heart (Actually enjoyed that), and always feeling like we had to be on guard. This on top of all the problems you listed with the school was enough for us to justify leaving abruptly. We knew if we mentioned that we weren't happy with anything or as such that the Chens would most certainly put hired eyes on us.

We hope you can get out safely and undetected.

Be safe.

Where are you from originally by the way. We are from British Columbia, Canada.
-Jason & Sara

#4 Parent yu2fa3 - tuscan - 2015-03-25
Re: DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

So you accidentally posted as both of your names, old and new? (yu2fa3 and Tuscan)

Blow me down O'Shei, where have you been!? I think he has neglected you for the flavour of the month ,Martin Hainan. Perhaps I'm being overcritical and T sent you in to the puppet maker for woodworm repair or some such malady picked up in dark damp tall and rank wardrobes. Hahaha only joking lol.

#5 Parent John O'Shei - 2015-03-25
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So you accidentally posted as both of your names, old and new? (yu2fa3 and Tuscan)

Then you tried to reply to yourself?

That and... Nope, some places are genuinely shit, even if we do try to make the best out of a bad situation.

#6 Parent yu2fa3 - tuscan - 2015-03-24
Re: DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

There is nothing to do on your days off except stay in your depressing flat and drink with the other teachers.

Hang on a second- you are in China- you are fortunate to find yourself in a quiet area without distraction- so what about your Mandarin studies? Mandarin fluent posters on this site will tell you that your situation was about as ideal as it gets for learning the language. We shouldn't waste our time grumbling but should embrace the advantages which most situations offer us-albeit in different ways. Now, am I right or am I right? Nothing to do can become time allowed to achieve constructive goals. Bloody Hell, right again!

Since this thread has just been re-continued with a vengeance I decided to read all the contributing posts to bring myself up to speed. WOW Beelzebub mate, your post above is like a breath of fresh air! And you were and are totally totally right. Bloody grumblers!!

#7 Parent Lucky Strike Larry - 2014-03-30
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Those last I seen in the news was the parents trying to do a donation drive to get some money to have the body sent home. Seems DD took the insurances money and put it in their own pockets rather which if true I find disgustingly reprehensible.

Has all the hallmarks of something made up by a communist regime. Or more to the point some slime spun and flung out by the Anti-Chinese merry-go-round. Malcontents from their seedy bed-sitting rooms. Or as they would have us believe from 'my luxury apartment overlooking Dreamland Bay.' Hee hee haw haw.

#8 Parent tick tick - 2014-03-30
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Well their is supposed to have been insurance for repatriation of the body and it is now a SAFEA requirement to provide FTs with medical insurance.

Those last I seen in the news was the parents trying to do a donation drive to get some money to have the body sent home. Seems DD took the insurances money and put it in their own pockets rather which if true I find disgustingly reprehensible.

Should the above situation be true, then it states very loud and clear just what kind of heartless outfit these monsters operate.

#9 Parent brodi.thoreau@outlook.com - 2014-03-13
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Wasn't your place where that US guy died at? So what happened later? Was his body shipped back home?

#10 Parent A Hangzhou DD Dragon - 2014-03-13
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I am appalled by the post here regarding our company. However, this is how it is at some of our DD Dragon locations. Run by a money grubby Chinese man with money but little to no experience running a business or even a school... but you get yourself into this when you blindly accept an offer to teach in China without speaking to the previous teachers or researching the school or area.

To those reading this, let me be the first to say that there are much, much better DD Dragons out there. You can't expect things to be perfect, but you can however expect a certain amount of respect. What I suggest is if you've already decided to come to China, come here on a tourist visa first, and physically go to some schools before signing a contract. Be wary of schools offering ridiculous amounts of money, and just talk with them. You'll find a good school if you just do some searching.

Just like you should do for any position you take.

#11 Parent Someone Who Worked there - 2013-10-21
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Again this post is just made by the school. To try to deflect the negative post. The negative post are true. There is another school in Aojiang. It also was not perfect but did treat its teachers better.

Any ways I agree I would stay away from the school.

#12 Parent Someone Who Worked there - 2013-10-21
Re: DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

I just wanted to respond to this post. I agree with the teacher here. I worked at this school in the past as well. The owners are just out for the money. They dont treat the teachers that well. And try to apply a lot of pressure to them and most of the time dont follow what the contract says. It was very difficult there. Also the post seems to have an odd wording to it. This makes me think most likely it was posted by the owners or a Chinese person working for the school trying to stop or lighten the effects.

"We shouldn't waste our time grumbling but should embrace the advantages which most situations offer us-albeit in different ways."

Any way the school could use to do better by its teachers.
Very hard to work for people who want to earn money but taking advantage of you.

Former teacher in Lingxi DD dragon.

#13 Parent Ada - 2013-08-10
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Maybe DD Dragon of Lingxi/Longgan needs to improve and be perfect for teachers, but the story is just your experience(What kind of people will have what kind of experience), did you do anything wrong and they treated you like that?

#14 Parent Beelzebub - 2013-07-19
Re: DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

There is nothing to do on your days off except stay in your depressing flat and drink with the other teachers.

Hang on a second- you are in China- you are fortunate to find yourself in a quiet area without distraction- so what about your Mandarin studies? Mandarin fluent posters on this site will tell you that your situation was about as ideal as it gets for learning the language. We shouldn't waste our time grumbling but should embrace the advantages which most situations offer us-albeit in different ways. Now, am I right or am I right? Nothing to do can become time allowed to achieve constructive goals. Bloody Hell, right again!

#15 Parent Asdf - 2013-07-18
Re: DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

I hate to say this but this post is accurate. I thought my year in China was going to be filled with adventure and culture but from day one they let it be known that it is a company that is only interested in money and nothing else. There is nothing to do on your days off except stay in your depressing flat and drink with the other teachers. Most training schools are terrible but from comparing this one to all the other schools this one is by far the worst... It's sad that during my year they showed me how little they appreciated me and the other teachers. My advice find a school that is in a bigger city like Hanzhou or Shanghai. Also look at google and all the post about wenzhou cangnan lingxi and longgang dd dragon. I wish I knew about the school before spending a year there.

John - 2013-06-08
DD Dragon Wenzhou, Cangnan, Lingxi, Longgang

Note: I have already posted this in another thread about DD Dragon, but it did not have much visibility, I am hoping as a new thread, I will be able to inform more people of the dangers of this school and prevent the perpetuation of this school. And here is why.

If you have found this thread on Dave's ESL that should already be a big red flag that you picked yourself a poor choice of English school. There is a never ending list of problems with this school and you will have the fine pleasure of dealing with all of them if you so choose to become employed at the Longgang or Lingxi DD Dragon. Which reminds me, if you see job descriptions or are told you will be employed in Wenzhou or the Wenzhou area, that is a laugh, that is what we were all told at first, but you will be out in the middle of nowhere, 2 hours from Wenzhou. There is nothing wrong with working in a small town English school, I myself am quite fond of the town, but this is just one in a long series of lies you will be fed, all of which will be of much greater consequence. One of the first lies will be, if you bring this post on Dave's ESL up to Liam (the sort of foreign liaison to foreign teachers even though the Chens fired all of the head foreign teachers because they found them unnecessary, even though hardly any of the Chinese employees speak the smallest scrap of English, thus complicating things at the schools even more so to an even greater degree of headaches and frustration), is that I am a mad, deranged employee and should be brushed off as such, but there are many who are, shall we say, less than satisfied with DD Dragon, and some have very good reason to be. First of all, getting paid is always a big hassle and these people will try to cheat you in any way possible. I know for a fact you can ask almost any teacher that is not new to the school what they think of it and they will all tell you the same answer, it is dreadful, or a derivative of such.

This school is guilty of the following just off the top of my head, just within the past few months:
-wrongfully threatening foreign teachers
-unlawfully threatening to call the police
-forgery
-breach of contract
-underpaying teachers (also in regards to breach of contract)
-not paying on time
-lack of vacation (I know of no other school with less vacation than DD Dragon and you have to make up most of the vacation you do have)
-trying to extort money from foreigners
-uncooperative about fixing any disrepairs within the apartment (we were without water for over a week recently)
-uncooperative in class
-having the TA's running the school when they have no clue themselves what they are doing
-apartment checks to make sure you are "clean enough"
-breaking into your apartment, even when you are not there; a small anecdote, during my final week at the school, they broke into our house no less than 5 times, within the span of one week
-no sick days
-if you quit before your contract is up, you are banned from working in the area, the place where you have met all of your friends and the place you have been calling home, and they will magically appear with all these monetary figures and you will owe the Chens far more than you can pay. One teacher in particular had to max out all of her credit cards and borrow a few thousand from a friend just to pay the school so she could leave. She had to leave in the middle of the night, but the Chens found out and they called some pseudo thugs of theirs to stop this girl at the airport so she could not return to America before being sucked dry.
-your teaching will be non-constructively criticized, regardless of whether they are right to give it or not, as even the most senior of teachers are given the most idiotic of advice from brand new TA's and it is all the time, relentless
-the TA's are not at all helpful for class
-if you want any help learning Chinese, you are on your own, and while this is not a huge negative because there is nothing wrong with that, many schools offer free Chinese lessons or are at least willing to help you out a little

There are so many schools that are so much better out there and I urge you not to waste your time and experience in China at this school. There are even better schools in the area alone. Many teachers realize this and try to work in the same town, but the owners, the Chens (who are a whole other story altogether but you only need to know they are terrible, disgraceful, greedy human beings whose sole motivation in life is money, and never mind with anything that may obstruct that goal) will try to deceive and scam you in any way they can. The last three teachers to leave the school have been threatened with deportation or the calling of the police. They have flat out told teachers they will forge documents for the sole purpose of getting to you. There is no good will or respect for teachers at these schools and the other lower-bosses and the TA's (the Chinese-English speakers that are supposed to help you in class) do not even speak English to a reasonable degree. Go ahead and request to talk to Mary (the head of the Longgang school, although she is so woefully lost and confused at her job altogether I think she is just there for show, these exact words "I AM NOT THE BOSS" have come out of her mouth when the simplest requests have been made to her) or Snow (the head of the Lingxi school, and also another monster entirely) or really any of the TA's, and ask for more than just one because you will probably be provided with the absolute best they have, which will still be rather disappointing. I have worked at the schools in both areas and this place is going down hill fast. If you get out, stay out, if you want to come, don't.

Feel free to email me with any general comments or concerns. I can corroborate all of my stories (and trust me when I say this is just the tip of the iceberg) with current or past foreign teachers who do not have an agenda to lie to you, so as to trick you into coming to a school you had previous, better, misconceptions of only to be blind sided and have the claws of "Wenzhou Area DD Dragon" sunk in deep. If you are a new teacher excited to come to China and you want to sign that contract and finally get over here and start your own adventure in China, you will be grateful to yourself later if you slow down and take the time to properly research each school. There are plenty out there.

This school is not what you are looking for, whoever you are, and if you had the foresight and initiative to find this thread, that should be warning enough that your wants and needs to be an English Teacher are best met elsewhere.

Contact me with further questions or concerns at: DDwinner2003@gmail.com

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