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#1 Parent Joel - 2016-05-06
Re Daejeon English Camp/Daejeon Educational Training Institute

Hi,

I can understand your grievances with this place at the time, but DEC (as it's commonly known as) has changed a lot and is no longer like the place you mentioned. I currently work there and really enjoy the position. The staff you mentioned have moved on a long time ago (Korean teachers rotate every 2 years) and the people working there now are all lovely. The setup is also different and many of the things you complained about are no longer relevant (working overnight, abuse from supervisors, etc.).

The salary you mentioned and teaching privates is a thing of the past. This role now has one of the best salaries going for foreign teachers in Daejeon / Korea and there certainly is no need to teach private students in your extra time.

I'm not really sure how you could complain about a free ride to work (the savings!) and I'm not sure who would ever get paid to commute to any job, anywhere?! The hours are slightly longer than regular EPIK teachers, who finish at 4.30, but the salary is higher to compensate for this fact. I certainly never feel like I'm missing out on anything and I've got plenty of time to do what I need to. We even leave around 2pm on Friday at the end of the camp, which means I get time to do banking, etc., which most EPIK teachers would never get the chance to do.

I don't know who that supervisor was, he sounds like a difficult person to deal with, but the teachers and supervisors we have now all work together well and support each other a lot. We're free to make changes to our classes and get to design our own textbooks for the year with a lot of freedom over what goes into the classes and what we teach. There's a lot more freedom in this sense than you'd find in a regular school.

Also, what we do when we teach is a lot of fun. I teach lots of different classes, from science to cooking, sports and drama, a CSI type class, Golden Bell and many more. I designed a lot of the classes that I teach and I worked with others to design the ones we teach as a team. From the horror stories that I've heard from other EPIK teachers about lack of support, I'd say that DEC is the complete opposite of that.

We never teach at other schools. Our role is solely at DEC and the time we're not teaching camps is spent developing textbooks, preparing materials, improving classes, walking on the mountain after lunch (one of the best perks for me!), and generally enjoying being at work in a lovely environment. DEC is located in the mountains of Gyeryongsan National Park and is stunningly beautiful in every season.

Sure, work during camps can be hard, but I think if you're kind and polite to others, then other people will help you out and support you when you need it. You also need to have a positive attitude, otherwise any job is going to be a downer for you.

During camps we have long hours but the teamwork by the teachers makes it pass by productively. Students usually leave the camp in tears - of happiness, not anger as your camps seemed to have caused - and students keep in touch with the foreign teachers by email. I still have some students emailing me 6 months after their camp ended.

I can understand how bad situations breed bad environments / feelings and can make everything seem bad. I'm sorry you had this at DEC in that time. I can assure the original poster or anyone else reading this now that this certainly isn't the case anymore.

For anyone thinking about joining DEC, please feel free to email me at joelmarrinan@googlemail.com and I'll be happy to tell you about the current situation.

#2 Parent The Lawyer - 2010-12-15
Re Daejeon English Camp/Daejeon Educational Training Institute

Rastus,

Sounds like utter hell, and I thought China could be bad. This sounds 10, no a hundred times worse!

Some things are similar, such as the desire to belittle/insult others, is very common amongst HK'ers/Taiwanese, I generally find the mainland Chinese to be more humble, but not always, esp the new rich/education bosses.

Get out of Korea, or I guess you already have.

Cheers
TL

#3 Parent The Lawyer - 2010-12-15
Re Daejeon English Camp/Daejeon Educational Training Institute

Why arent you smart enough to get a masters degree?

Foolish statement from a know it all who knows nothing.

If HE was smart he would know it is expensive to get a masters degree in the West. Most of us after finishing Uni, have to make our way in the real world, a MA is an unaffordable luxury to many, being *SMART* has nothing to do with it....I would have replied, you pay all my expenses and ticket back home to go and do it, and I will, but then that would be hurting the Korean male's pocket and we all know how important money is in Asia.

Personally, I would have just told him to shut his mouth, for if he opened it again, next time I'd punch his teeth out and rip his jowls wide open...

Rastus - 2010-12-14
Daejeon English Camp/Daejeon Educational Training Institute

The Daejeon English Camp (the DEC, but it is also known as TETI, the Daejeon Educational Training Institute) is a school to be avoided at all costs. A public-sector government school, it is located halfway between Daejeon and Gongju. The school likes to employ four foreigners in an E-2 capacity, but their employment promises that lure teachers are empty, fraudulent even. English camps of the five-day and four-night variety are taught 23 weeks a year to Daejeons elementary- and middle-school students. The school headlines these 23 weeks as a lure in their ads, saying that the rest of the time will be spent teaching in Daejeons public schools at the overtime rate. Considering the thin base salary, such padding is almost a necessary perk, but it rarely happens. If having sufficient income is one of your concerns, keep in mind that Daejeon is the worst city in Korea in which to teach privates. A rat line has been set up, and Koreans can earn a reward of up to 1 000 000 won for reporting a foreigner who is teaching private English lessons. Prosecution for this heinous albeit victimless and pervasive crime might result in a ten million won fine, jail time until this penalty is paid (i.e. wired from your homeland), deportation at your own expense, a nasty stamp in your passport, and an entry ban for a number of years.

However, if you work at the DEC, you will have little time to call you own. A shuttle bus
ride (unpaid, naturally) will carve 35 to 40 minutes twice a day out of your schedule. There are times when the shuttle bus driver will drop you off at the entrance to the school mere minutes ahead of your classs start time, so there isnt time for a washroom visit or a cup of coffee. On occasion, the bigwig administrators will be there shouting at you to hurry up. But at least you get to go home at night. Such has not always been the case. Until a year ago, foreigners had to stay overnight in the DEC two nights per week and on Thursday evenings until nine. Now, foreigners have to overnight once per week, but getting paid for this is a hassle just as often as not. A Korean website, NEIS, demands a lot of Korean language input, and missing the 7 a.m. login the next day exempts you from any compensation at all. Naturally, the teachers accommodations in the campsite are squalid, and until a year ago, management refused to supply hot water to the teachers dorm rooms. Students had the luxury of a hot shower, as did all the administrators, but teachers are the lowest of the low on the totem pole here. Heating in the rooms is iffy, and the provided bedding has often been totally unacceptable. The room I had to overnight in was so dirty that my eyes got infected: yellow-gray pus covered the whites and sealed my eyelids shut. Thank God I had brought a bottle of Optrex along with me. The bedsheets were cruddy, crusty, often stained with 30 to 50 shots of semen, for that is what pubescent boys, our students, like to do. A complaint to the teacher administrator, Nam Ddeok-jin, brought out his ire, and he threatened to fire me if I didnt agree to the conditions in the camp. In an act of largesse, he gave me three days to agree to his dictate. He told me that nothing in the camp was ever going to change.

This Nam Ddeok-jin is responsible for the bulk of the DECs mismanagement. Having his ego gratified is, in his mind, a goal loftier than the efficient running of the school. The day I arrived in the country, he and another teacher picked me up in Incheon, then after the long drive down to the DEC, he would not even permit me to have two minutes solitude on the toilet. Outside the stall, he pounded on the door and screamed at me to hurry up. I began to regret the $80 mint set of coins I had given him an hour earlier. All the staff went out for a welcoming dinner with me the night after I arrived, but one supervisor could not insult me enough in the gathering. True, I acknowledge the fact that I am packing a few pounds of adipose tissue, but big deal, so what. He, Park Min Hwa, is much heavier than I am, but he continued to scream at me during the course of the meal. Pig! Diet! Of course, the DEC president was sitting right there, and everyone was amused with his original wit.

A few days later when I went with Nam Ddeok-jin to the Immigration Office to get my resident alien card, after we submitted the paperwork and were in his car on the way back to my apartment, he decided that he needed to flex his ego a bit more and drove a couple of more kilometers out of his way and kicked me out of his car. Told me to have a good walk. Fun for him, but I was offended.

Nam Ddeok-jins ego is huge and unchecked, and any half-baked idea that forms in his head is aired and becomes an order to underlings. He might stride into the teachers room and say what he wants for gifts, or that he wants this or that woman to give him a massage or that he wants all teachers to write letters of self-criticism. This act of masochism I refused to do, and my defiance drove him up the wall. Handicapped by his huge ego, he squawks for his coffee every morning and has a female Korean teacher prepare and deliver his coffee posthaste. No one is fond of being his servant, for he respects nothing. As a supervisor, he often dictates what he wants the teachers to do, but the problem is that he does not know what he wants, nor does he respect anything that the teachers produce. Nothing is good enough. So, teachers are always creating something new, but nothing ever pleases him, even though his command of English is insufficient to judge the teachers output. Even when middle school boys leave the camp, they yell at him from the security of the shuttle bus, I am supervisor! I am supervisor! They remind him with a parting shot that they are not fond of his abusive behavior.

In reference to teaching at other public schools in Daejeon, I have only done that three or four times during semester breaks, sometimes only for a day or two. The reason for this infrequency is Nam Ddeok-jins attitude. Even when such off-site teaching happens, the income generated is negligible, for the DEC often defends its non-payment with It would be illegal for us to pay you. Some of the public school teachers in Daejeon with whom I have spoken after teaching their students have told me what an agony it was to deal with Nam Ddeok-jin. He says that I did not show him the proper respect or use the right procedure, so he made it very difficult for me to get a foreign teacher here. I apologized as much as I could, but I am never going to deal with him again. What a shame. Foreign teachers are deprived of income, students forego learning with different teachers, and idleness is imposed on all because of one mans ego. Daejeon should share its educational resources, teachers also, but Nam Ddeok-jins only goal is to have his ego gratified.

As a senior administrator in the DEC, Nam Ddeok-jin has created a horror story and haven for abuse, disrespect, and exploitation of its workers. Those in the lower ranks who want to curry favor with him will stop at nothing to do his bidding. On my first day in the DEC, the head Korean teacher, Lee Ddong-soon, came up to me and told me, Do you know how much Mr. Nam hates you? He really really hates you. Not quite the warm reception that I had been expecting. Another American had his fill of the DECs abuse and quit after three weeks. He was harassed so much that he began talking of suicide every day. Many Korean teachers cut their two-year tour of duty at the DEC down to one year. If anyone were monitoring the supervisors behavior at the DEC, it would be easy to discover that the school goes through a lot of staff. There are costs to staff turnover, but these expenses dont come out of Nam Ddeok-jins pocket.

All foreign teachers in the DEC are paired up with a Korean English teacher, and they are usually agreeable. On occasion, though, bellicose and sycophantic xenophobes go out of their way to make life hell for the foreigner, and nothing is good enough. Everything merits abuse, and going to work becomes a burden. One American nicknamed his Korean co-teacher Hitler, an apt label, as I soon discovered. This amused me for a while, but then he got paired up with a more agreeable Korean, and I got saddled with that burden. True to form, Kim Myo-jung was on my back every day for almost eight months. This despite the fact that I started work an hour and a half early every day, doted on the students, and spent my weekends creating new resources. Every day was rife with insults and exhortations for me to quit . Why dont you quit? Why dont you leave? Just get a job somewhere else! Why arent you smart enough to get a masters degree? Mr. Nam has earned the right to abuse you! For almost a year, I had to work cheek by jowl with this vitriolic cesspool of hatred. Real incentive to come to work. Life at the school was not hard for all foreign teachers, though. One Korean-Canadian woman showed up and left every day before ten in the morning. I worked more in a day than she did in a week. A query yielded this response: "She is Korean! She has permission!"

The maltreatment Nam Ddeok-jin dishes out to the foreigners is adopted by many other administrators at the DEC. Over at the Teacher Training Center, one fat bastard administrator came into the teachers room one day and started screaming at the foreigners that we had to teach this and that course at the TTC. Didnt ask, just bellowed. Typical.

Another administrator in Nam Ddeok-jins office, Park Min-hwa, is yet another boorish man. One day, I caught him twisting the nurses arm and forcing her face to the ground. A big joke for that porcine tough guy. The only other expenditure of his energy comes from smoking, an activity that comprises the bulk of his daily activity. The former DEC director, one Kim Hyun-gyu, Nam Ddeok-jins boss, is also barely out of the swamp on the evolutionary scale. One Thursday after our camp students had presented their drama festival, Kim Hyun-gyu felt that he had to tell attending proud parents that the foreigners command of English was so poor (this despite the publication of 20 of my essays in Korean newspapers, the dozen books I have written, and the international writing contests I have won), not even as good that of the Korean English teachers. This came from a man who speaks broken English at best and then only if he has a script in front of him. However, he has a senior administrative position, speaks with the voice of authority, and dresses like a bureaucrat (i.e. as if he were going to funeral every day), so the parents naturally believed him.

A few times a year, the DEC hosts leadership camps for promising students. An outside nurse is brought in to give them health and hygiene talks, and one health professional furnished a class of pubescent girls with this advice: Never have any kind of relationship with a foreigner. They are filled with disease and are dirty, dirty, dirty. More than mildly offensive and a bit hypocritical in a country where room salons (brothels) abound, Russian bar hostess belles satisfy Korean johns desire to ride the white horse, 20% of all females spend some time in the rough trade, and in that Korean judicial quirk, rape victims are blamed for causing the crime.

Despite Nam Ddeok-jin being a legend in his own mind, his knowledge of Daejeon and connections with people in it falls short. A case in point is the housing he rustles up for teachers. My apartment is maybe two meters by three meters, has roaches, bedbugs, no heat, incessant noise, and sporadic hot water, all for 320 000 won a month out of my pay. He does not want to hear any teacher concerns, either directly, through a Korean co-teacher, or even via a memo left on his desk. There are no lines of communication to him, and that is the way he likes it and the way he wants it to stay. Like most public school administrators, his job is a sinecure, and he wants to do nothing other than sleep at his desk, play baduk on-line, smoke outside, nothing more. His refusal to create a professionally-managed school contributes to its unprofessional environment. Teachers routinely go to class late, deliver lessons off-the-cuff with zero preparation, and often dismiss their 45-minute classes 15 minutes early. Having learned from Nam Ddeok-jin and his ilk, these teachers do nothing, stand around and let others do everything, and then complain about the results. Your class lasted too long! I counter with As homeroom teacher, you should have delivered your students ten minutes earlier. If you are late, you cannot expect others to curtail their classes and finish on time. I do my utmost to be the epitome of a professional teacher: I am always early ( I arrive early every day and put in an extra 60 to 90 minutes every day), an always planned and prepared, constantly buy and create new resources for my students, and encourage bravery and creativity in the classroom. Nam Ddeok-jin has no interest whatsoever in what happens in the classroom. The only class he visits is the Wednesday afternoon sports class. What gives him a special delight is to force a teacher to teach something for which he or she has neither aptitude nor interest. Sports classes are my bte noire, and I get pushed into teaching them almost every week. Most classes last 45 minutes, and some teachers here regularly dismiss their students 15 to 20 minutes early, and that is fine by him. The parents pay for this English camp, as does the government, yet no one is concerned with the frittering away of time that should be used to hold classes. Although the sports are popular with the students, their pedagogical worth is dubious at best, and I did not sign up to be a phys ed instructor. So, not surprisingly, most teachers just kill time, the bane of the hagwon system also. Hopefully, the new president will swing a big axe and clear out so much of this deadwood.

Nam Ddeok-jin will stop at nothing to cause strife. For months, he has been phoning my best friend (of ten years) here in Korea to tell her what a jerk I am. She originally found me the job, and the agony he puts her through is also an agony to me. What kind of cowardly dog gets such pleasure from poisoning the well? Curiously, Nam Ddeok-jin phoned her up again a few weeks ago to see if I would like renew my contract. She told him to ask me personally. Not brave enough to do that, he asked my Korean co-teacher to pose the question. I gave her an immediate and flat refusal. Please dont say No right away. Mr. Nam thinks it would be a good idea for you to stay here. So do I. You have one week to decide. That man just loves giving an ultimatum. I gave the same unequivocal response a week later. I have seen many teachers, native and Korean, leave the DEC. Nam Ddeok-jins insistence on disrespecting others creates a revolving door here. I saw that one my first day in the DEC. Other foreign teachers had words with him, and told him what to do and where to do it. Respect begets respect, but Nam Ddeok-jin refuses to put his ego on the back burner. So, if you work for the DEC, you will receive a too-modest salary, no gratitude whatsoever, be fodder for managers ego, and have little time for yourself. That is all the DEC has to offer.

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