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#1 Parent ESL_IN_ASIA - 2004-09-21
Re: Hate ESL...but need food

> Curiosity. What kind of jobs where you looking in Vancouver.
> Vancouver-BC has few hi-tech co.

Yeh, it has a poor hi-tech market but the provincial government has slashed everything so even the teaching budget has been cut. I have friends that had to go north you know, where Yukon bears walk in the class room, in order for them to get work. In other words BC is a dead end. But, if you recommend Ontario, I might take a gander over there. However, burned once, twice shy. I left a job in Europe to go back to Canada only to find out I shouldve stayed put. So Im much more cautious these days.

#2 Parent Canadian - 2004-09-21
Re: Hate ESL...but need food

Curiosity. What kind of jobs where you looking in Vancouver.
Vancouver-BC has few hi-tech co.

> Ok, I apologize, as I sounded off to an extreme. I was in Vancouver
> for 6 months last year and found nothing. Also, when I came back to
> Vancouver, that big surplus you mentioned wasnt there. I waited for
> 3 months before I could get my BC health card reinstated.

> Anyway, I did use a derogatory statement about a country that
> believes in real world peace and stability and that speaks loads
> more than a sagging economy. Just, right now, Im struggling. And if
> you arent, then thank your lucky stars and please be understanding.

> Peace out

#3 Parent ESL_IN_ASIA - 2004-09-21
Re: Hate ESL...but need food

> Canada has several years of consecutive budget surpluses. By far the
> largest oil reserves in the world. mortality-age and the population
> good-health, second best to Japan. One of the lowest suicide
> rate-percapita in the world.

> Please take a second and RESEARCH before you say:"Yes, the
> situation is bad in North America, in Canada the bread lines are even
> worse (Im also Canadian)."

> When was the last time you where in Canada? and where are the
> "bread lines" you mentioned, were you refering to a few
> street people (mental-cases). We also provide them with open clinics
> to take their drugs(heroine.. last I heard, project is
> helping-working fine).

Ok, I apologize, as I sounded off to an extreme. I was in Vancouver for 6 months last year and found nothing. Also, when I came back to Vancouver, that big surplus you mentioned wasnt there. I waited for 3 months before I could get my BC health card reinstated.

Anyway, I did use a derogatory statement about a country that believes in real world peace and stability and that speaks loads more than a sagging economy. Just, right now, Im struggling. And if you arent, then thank your lucky stars and please be understanding.

Peace out

#4 Parent Canadian - 2004-09-21
Re: Hate ESL...but need food

Canada has several years of consecutive budget surpluses. By far the largest oil reserves in the world. mortality-age and the population good-health, second best to Japan. One of the lowest suicide rate-percapita in the world.

Please take a second and RESEARCH before you say:"Yes, the situation is bad in North America, in Canada the bread lines are even worse (Im also Canadian)."

When was the last time you where in Canada? and where are the "bread lines" you mentioned, were you refering to a few street people (mental-cases). We also provide them with open clinics to take their drugs(heroine.. last I heard, project is helping-working fine).

> Yes, its quit a conundrum: should I stay in America under Bushs
> great economic plan or should I take a low paying ESL position with
> all inherent problems? This is not so trivial because ESL is probably
> the only way most of us can support ourselves out of Hitlerssorry I
> mean Bushs regime.

> In the last throes of the glory days in America, I was a software
> engineer with a masters degree and over 8 years experience at some
> good firms. I was a contractor and made enough to save for retirement
> and have a family. However, my opportunities went to India
> (outsourced) and my choices, after being in a technical field for so
> long in an economy sold out from under me, were few. I tried to get
> jobs just to put food on the table, ie: flipping hamburgers. Sadly, I
> couldnt even get those because the illegal Mexicans will do it
> cheaper and dont complain about any abuse, since their fear of
> retribution by the authorities. So, fortunately, I sold my stuff and
> took the CELTA in Central Europe and started my NEW career as an
> English teacher.oh joy.

> I dont want to demean this field in any way, as I respect the
> teaching profession. However, the ESL schools are out to make money
> on a slim profit margin, since everybody and their mothers brother
> can open a school with little investment. The risk must be great,
> however. Having said that, it really doesnt feel like teaching to
> me, though Im not degreed as a teacher but as an engineer. I like
> most of my students but some have no motivation whatsoever. This irks
> me to no end since I studied my bum off in university through some
> science courses that made you lose hair (I faired pretty wellmy hair
> that is). But, in private ESL schools, the student is not just a
> student but a customer; hence, you have to hold their hand and
> entertain them.

> I teach in Asia, Ill withhold where, though I dont think it
> matters. But, a white face that entertains is the norm here. And,
> Ill be the first to admit that if I had my druthers, Id be teaching
> science or engineering. However, if the US is outsourcing and off
> shoring to Asia for their technical expertise, Im sure Im not
> needed in that capacity. That leaves me teaching English, which I
> hated with a passion in high school, and the enduring pain of
> unmotivated students that are just passing time in a school that
> needs to maximize profits.

> Now, I must make the disclaimer that I WANT my students to do well,
> if they show effort. I make the effort of activities, role play and
> conversation as fun as I can with minimal TTT and maximum STT. But, I
> feel I sux at teaching and would like to get out. Unfortunately,
> approaching middle age and from a country that can easily be compared
> to the National Socialist party of Nazi Germany, I have few options.
> I have to EAT!!!

> Yes, the situation is bad in North America, in Canada the bread lines
> are even worse (Im also Canadian). Expect to see many more teachers
> in a mass exodus over the ensuing years. Im sure that in keeping
> with capitalism, this will lower the wages more and make English
> schools give even less respectits all about supply and demand.

> In this Free Market society, we have to expect no financial
> security, family stability or national security. We are constantly
> told to go back to school, on our dime of course and at an older age,
> as many times as the industrialists want to maximize profits. My last
> peace of toiletI mean university paper cost me 60,000 USD at 8
> percent interest. Simply a cost most students in other countries
> neednt pay. And now, I must look at being an expat to make a
> living..somewhereanywhere.

> I think some of the young kids out there are nave and dont realize
> that this may very well happen to them. So teaching English for them
> is just a kind of a Bohemian experience before they get their
> real job. Yeh, better talk to Greenspan. Better yet, better give
> your ESL a career boost and put more effort in. So teach or flip
> burgers is accurate

> Hey, would you like fries with that?

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