Again, this post sounds like turnoi

Your style, Taffy, has changed in the last few days. Is it because SB attacked your wife, or is it because turnoi stole your handle (cause you sound more like turnoi)?

Good, you will keep away then. Only the best of the best are required in Pattaya. We don't want rejects from the world of ESL heading there. "Family men" are also undesirable and not wanted.

I say again, you don't understand hypergamy. A farm girl is not a good choice for a man, especially not for marriage FFS! Men should not settle for second, third, fourth best. Better to go for the cream of the crop!

Men are different and certainly not the same. I would find that kind of Pattaya that you know rather boring.

You really need a good dose of Pattaya and the healthy lifestyle it has to offer men.

Oh, women in Pattaya fucking love me, make no mistake! Not going to marry one though.

At least you won't repeat that mistake. No flies on you.

Never mind all about that, you're just repeating the same old twaddle "Don't marry a poor girl, she'll take all your money!!" No, what we want to know is, where is that Thai wife of yours? You avoided paying her any money because the right to stay in Australia was handed over to her in lieu of whores wages. But we can all do with a laugh so elaborate for us how you met at masters degree in linguistics university where you both fell in love.

I sit and think and decide what is more likely, she was a rich lady whom you impressed with your gold jewelry and silver tongue, OR, she was just another Pattayan whore who liked the idea of living in Australia...but not with you, she didn't tell you that bit? Now is I right?

Read what John O'Shei said about hypergamy. In that instance he is 100 per cent correct. I've studied this topic in detail.

You mean you have read a whole pile of embittered accounts on the Internet hahaha! O'Shei is a pig of a man, we don't want to hear what he grunts out with.

I think HK could be the the place for men if they were really looking for a top executive Chinese wife. Or maybe Taipei. Those women are very picky though. Like you said though, why even bother?

As for Japan, several of my ( Aussie, non-ex-pat ) friends ( two lived in Japan in the 90's ) have recommended I go there to live. They say that is THE place to live and find a really decent woman. It's funny how even when you tell people you are MGTOW they still want you to marry and be unhappy, LOL! To be fair though, some of these people are also anti-marriage unless they can find a totally outstanding woman.

I agree with you that marriage is, in many ways, proving that you are a failure by giving into the expectations of women and society. I posted in reply to Fifi quite a lengthy post regarding the pitfalls of marriage.

Reading the horror stories about various marriages on You Tube by MGTOW who were previously married is indeed sobering. Some of these men have had their lives ruined or took years to recover financially and emotionally. It's worse for those with kids.

Now that was a great fucking post! Most men, especially blue pill beta males do not understand the concept/reality of hypergamy.

Hypergamy instinct is hard wired into the vast majority of women. I ve spent hours researching this stuff. Even some MGTOW openly admit that hypergamy is part of biology for women, it's part of evolution. The admit this even though they say it's not an excuse for women to be greedy and use men.

The fact is that women will use men and that women are self-serving: That is what they do! At least marriage to a woman with money may reduce/neutralize the hypergamy instinct to some extent.

Marriage to a Chinese farm girl, or any farm girl is NOT a good idea. A poor woman will have a higher hypergamy drive/instinct and will quickly develop a virulent entitlement mentality.

I ve seen affluent laowai in China from cities like Sydney and London hook up with girls from farming communities. A farm girl who was eating in 5-10 rmb noodle shops a few weeks earlier soon expects 350 rmb steak dinners in Shanghai or Guangzhou. Seen it all before.

That law sucks. It is one reason, but certainly not the only one, why men are abandoning Western countries ( and the women ) in droves.

Some lightweight MGTOW have fallen into the trap though that they can marry an Asian woman and avoid the hazards in the West.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Sure, move to Thailand, move to Philippines, but DO NOT marry a woman there!

Of course it matters, for the purpose of the lulz.

Whatever you do, never marry a Chinese farmer. That's the first thing any new arrival should be told in China.

Those that marry Chinese farmers deserve mockery. When you do that, you've just let hypergamy win.

Relationships are a two-way street. Not just marriage either. Of course, there is never any financial commitment from the woman.

What is there in marriage for men? Absolutely nothing, and I've outlined the reasons why on here several times. MGTOW's have
also discussed the reasons why on You Tube numerous times.

What's wrong with a farm girl?

If a man is so desperate to marry he can do better than a farm girl.

There are good reasons for such a law, and it is standard in the West, I think.

It seems you don't understand how divorce works: Yes, obviously my ex-wife got money from me, she got 50 per cent of our combined assets, that is the law in Australia.

It seems you don't understand how divorce works: Yes, obviously my ex-wife got money from me, she got 50 per cent of our combined assets, that is the law in Australia.

Yes, she could have survived without that money easily but she still got the money. 9 years is not a "short-time " that's a record for most marriages these days.

I have not seen or spoken with and have had zero contact with my ex-wife for 8 years, I don't know where she is or what she is doing and I don't care. I don't know about her family now but they never expressed any interest in moving to Australia. Most Thai's do not want to relocate unlike Chinese. I made it clear that I would not be helping my wife to bring any family members to Australia from the start anyway. My ex-wife sent some of her own money to her sister in Bangkok to pay for further education but she found out she had wasted the money at shopping malls in Bangkok.

Only stupid men provide financial support for the families of Thai or Chinese women.

LOL, you certainly are not a role model for young men. As I am an MGTOW I am the best role model of all for young men. They will be happier, healthier, wealthier if they follow me. They will end up divorced, broke, and suicidal if they follow your advice, when their wife rips their wallet out of their arse in divorce court and they go to jail because they can't pay child support. Happens all the time. The cemeteries are full of such men.

You are the one offering advice, and how rich can you get, what a cheek, you dump wives in Australia, just as well all the divorced ex pats don't follow that advice- or is that part of your advice? Bring your problem marriages home with you for your country to handle.

I offer no advice- just saying what I did.

You cannot know this for sure, so it is mere speculation on your part. All these years and you are still sour about people you have never met, who are for all purposes anonymous to you. To quote a comedy show, don't you ever yearn for change?

I think it is relevant. If a man is so desperate to marry he can do better than a farm girl. []

I was not a common FT in China, I waa a monied FT. I was naive when I first went to China and thought that China and Chinese women might be ok. I was wrong. I can assure you that in Pattaya I am very warmly welcomed, I d even say that I am "hot property". In China all I ever came across was hostility and intolerance toward foreigners.

SB, take it easy on Taffy. He is a good man.
And he is a family man. He LIKES to have a family. He CHOOSES to have a family. I know men like that.
You are not a family man, and that's perfectly OK. In fact, I like very much the concepts that you are proposing for men.
But please respect the choice of family men.

Example: Some men prefer to have sex with other men. I know you have nothing against gay men. In the same way, SB, there are men who like to have a family. Same thing. Please respect their choice.

No, I buy real gold and silver. I am buying a lot of it. Very content with the Pattayan lifestyle as of now, but things can change for all of us.

Wot no best-end-of-prostitute on the chopping block to drool over today!? Now, you're not a bad looking bloke and not 60 yet so do yopurself a favour and get that FT's job in China and find that wife you missed out on last time. Can'y really advise beyond that as I have never looked for a girlfriend or a wife.

He could be lying in regard to being financially supported by his wife. In nearly every case I 've come across the Chinese wife bleeds the husband dry financially. If he actually does manage to get the wife to pay for something that would be an "achievement" of sorts on his part.

Let's get this straight, your ex, the Thai lady didn't need any money from you when she left you, she was quite happy having purchased her residency in Australia. I say purchase meaning the short time spent with you was payment like any prostitute-money didn't swap hands but her place in Australia was good enough settlement for her. You have mentioned she's there. Now just because you find yourself in a position of bringing foreigners to the west there's no need to blame the Chinese because she is Thai. Has she brought all her family to Australia yet? You should answer in detail, please as you are giving advice to others. Seems to me that you expect your country to pick up the tab as you haven't picked it up yourself like many other unfortunates.

He could be lying in regard to being financially supported by his wife. In nearly every case I 've come across the Chinese wife bleeds the husband dry financially. If he actually does manage to get the wife to pay for something that would be an "achievement" of sorts on his part.

It doesn't matter who this poster did or did not marry. What matters is this: Said poster preaches others to take responsibility for their actions, and puts himself up like some authority figure who knows what he is talking about. Meanwhile, he has exercised absolutely no responsibility whatsoever at managing his own life. He depends on his wife, who is young enough to be his granddaughter for full financial and medical support. I only know this, because he has bragged and posted personal information on this forum numerous times.

Hardly a role model or a "family man".

You want the bun and the butter don't you ,Dragonized! On one hand you are shrieking with SB like a lunatic "Chinese wives will only take take take, and the next you're admitting my wife supports me, even for medical costs. She works and I stay at home and look after the child. I indeed can be a role model and certainly a family man. Now am I right or am I right?

Hilarious post!

The quality of these posts depend on the quality of the people who are writing them. We can see in this case that the AW poster does not care about the plight and history of others who have had injustice and human rights violations done to them. His case is a painful example of how those who are victimized will go and victimize others, due to maybe not having any good role models in life where they grew up.

You have bragged about your Chinese wife and your kid on here many times. You are sounding like a hypocrite now. So you obviously do think that marrying a farm girl from a poor family and having a kid with her is an "achievement". As far as ex-pats in Asia go you are not high up on the totem pole, you better believe it. Once thing I 've noticed in China is that laowai mostly go for the lowest of the low in regard to women, lol!

If you're a common office clerk in the UK, Australia, wherever, it's likely that any overtures you make to the bosses daughter will fall on deaf ears- I don't know why you think that common FT's of which you were one should be any more welcomed by rich girls in China. Now listen, you tried your best, and it was well documented at the time to find a Chinese wife when you were an FT in China. You didn't succeed, so don't stop others, please. Actually, most men don't look for wives anyway, you and your badly-married-to-Chinese/Asian friends are the exceptions, and that may say a lot for the quality of their wives and themselves.

Your Chinese wife and kid (if they are real and not only one of your fakes) is not an issue, and whether they have a poor or farming background isn't relevant either´- to most of the more intelligent among us on here. I would add personally that according to my own experiences in China they mostly are more likeable and honest folks than most of the corrupt officials. To me, the problem with you is really somewhere else.

Pass! You or SB can fight over that parcel. It's SB who has claimed you shouldn't settle for anything less than a Chinese wealthy top executive girlfriend. Mind ,that was an amended idea born out of failure to find any class of Chinese willing to marry him. Fancy offering that advice to FT's. As if accepting any of that man's advice would get you anywhere in life.

I suggest John O'Shei and others find a Japanese or Korean top executive girlfriend. Now that really WOULD impress me, especially if they were just to live a life of luxury and leisure of her earnings I feel Mr O'Shei would have a good chance at snagging a high class Japanese girl..No lowly Chinese farmers daughters for him!

You have bragged about your Chinese wife and your kid on here many times. You are sounding like a hypocrite now. So you obviously do think that marrying a farm girl from a poor family and having a kid with her is an "achievement". As far as ex-pats in Asia go you are not high up on the totem pole, you better believe it. Once thing I 've noticed in China is that laowai mostly go for the lowest of the low in regard to women, lol!

Yes, we can go back to that site you pretend you have never posted on. Blind freddy can tell it is you who was one of the main BS artists on that site.

What he wrote is total rubbish. Yes, he married a farmer. She is from a poor family and you are correct that saying he is close to the bottom of the heap as far as laowai-Chinese marriages are concerned. Yes, marrying a Chinese woman, even one with a high income or rich family is no big deal. It is not hard to do and is not an "achievement" in one's life. These arrogant laowai in China could not find a rich wife in Tokyo or Bangkok. No chance for them!

I could buy out your relatively poor Chinese wife 50 times over. I am not even working now and I could still do it. I travel all over Asia, stay in expensive serviced apartments, I buy expensive jewelry, shoes, watches. I have even had bar girls tell me my place in Pattaya is "very luxurious" and "overkill".Smart men who want "executive" women/wives don't look in China btw. They look in Tokyo, Bangkok, Seoul. Not in China.

There are at the very least 600 million Chinese women in the world, even when accounting for the worst case gender imbalance scenario. Marrying one is not a huge achievement. One should also wonder why you feel a need to fetishise a nation or a race.

No not a huge achievement at all, but I never set out to marry one like SB did. He can't even find one out of 600 million that would have him.Hahaha!

Also, if I had a wife that could by someone out tenfold, the last thing I would do is boast about it on a site like this. But we've all seen those hometown photos and the fact remains that, even if she was a wealthy factory boss, or the daughter of a coal mine owner; she's still a farmer.

Yes and a very poor farming family, and I have not said anything to the contrary.Wot you on about!!

Let's repeat that: You married a farmer, LOL.

A farmer's daughter to be precise. And she can still buy out SB tenfold. Mind, that's no big deal since just because SB tells me he has two ha’pennies to rub together and has been indoctrinating us with that belief for years doesn't mean I should believe him. As you said, as you indicated, if you have it you don't tell anybody about it. He just made me angry listening to the same old bragging bullshit he's dished out for years.

That pretty much places you right at the bottom of the laowai hierarchy. []

Pass! You or SB can fight over that parcel. It's SB who has claimed you shouldn't settle for anything less than a Chinese wealthy top executive girlfriend. Mind ,that was an amended idea born out of failure to find any class of Chinese willing to marry him. Fancy offering that advice to FT's. As if accepting any of that man's advice would get you anywhere in life.

He must be exploding at the moment, his English has gone to pot, even using British spelling 'grey rock' And some Turnoi spelling 'Folks'

I don't feel a need to share my personal life like that on the internet, regardless of Silverboy's personal views on anonymous aliases. That's just the way that I roll. Besides, I have a life away from the internet, you know?

Said person's very life gives us an example of what not to follow. His entitled attitude is very typical of a racist white man who is married to a non-white person. He thinks he can parent me. I have no doubt he is emotionally abusive to his family members, maybe even physically abusive. The way my own family abused and neglected me caused these types of people to come into my life. What I suggest you do is look up the "grey rock" method of dealing with people on youtube. It will save you a lot of trouble.

There are many like him in this world. The flea that takes a bit of your food at the table without your permission has more honesty in it that these ilk of people.

will give Turnoi credit for the fact that he uses his real name and has posted his real pictures on here. There are many posters on here who are gutless and faceless wonders who hide behind their PC's and would get the shit beaten out of them in real life. 10 years on this forum. I am sad to say the majority of people who have posted on here in that time are the scum of the Earth.

Yes yes give him that- and what a paper trail he leaves, to all his academic friends in Nepal- it's an act of faith he puts in a belief that there's nobody else like himself on the forum- maybe LG should get her own back and drop a few lines hahaha!

What about your other pals on the site (well there's half a dozen of us at the most which represent all posters) lets get this clear- can John O'Shei also call himself a "gutless and faceless wonder?" or has he been putting his holiday snaps on the forum while my back was turned?

There are rats in the ranks, that's for sure. One of the group even said that my Aussie pal "should not be in Pattaya chasing hookers" when he is not divorced yet. Never mind that this bitch of a Chinese wife lied to him, ripped him off and deceived him. [] Never had this problem in Pattaya, ex-pats there are salt of t he Earth in comparison.

Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. One of the few times when good will was shown on this forum.

Not all people who have injustice done to them will be petty like some posters are on this forum. He may have a good relationship with the mods, which may be why he has gotten away with this. When you or I say something out of revenge on this forum, we may get blocked temporarily.

I have just seen a new Seiko Coutura model I want to get. 580 AUD but worth it IMO. It is a beautiful burgundy colour. The Pattaya girls always comment on my watches and bling, they love it! Can never have too much bling! Can never have too much of anything, LOL! I am planning to get a blue topaz ring and also a morganite ring as well.

The majority of posters on this site like to make out that they are squeaky clean but as we know from experience they are nothing like that.

They are liars, sell outs, frauds, weasels and failures who have to teach ESL because they have no other choice.

They will never admit it however.

Just found out I 've been deleted and kicked off the Nanning and also Taipei group chat after I said the members wives were [] and prostitutes. Well, fuck them, I don't need them for friendship or business although the Taipei group was useful sometimes. It's only Pattaya all the way now, fuck China and Taiwan.

You could go back under an alias! I suppose when we have all finished here we could ask Fifi to transfer all our posts over to DegreeDiscussions and just continue under our present handles.

WOW-factor coming up. I can impress two joggeress' whom I sidle up and run with, especially when they see my 'stopwatch function' Funny how you meet and get chatting to people, although our discussions rarely last more than 30 minutes on-the-move. There has been talk of pints in pubs but I never have the time, what with the girl to tend for. I could have got this watch £1 cheaper in yellow but I splashed out as is my wont. Hope you is keeping fit SB.

Can you put up some screenshots of some of these things that was said in these wechat groups? It would be interesting for foreign men looking for chinese wives to have a look...

Occasionally SB varies the theme by presenting us with a carrot, a golden Ebay Caratted necklace which we can have if we tell that Chinese She-Devil where to get off.

I imagine Ivor thinks you both negative, we want to hear about your gay times with the mounties (whatever the constabulary was) and SB’s gay time in Thailand, not bloody Chinese wives.

By the bye, I gave my wife (my Chinese one) a credit card (my account) with impunity. It was a good way of elevating her credit status. I frequently move money through her accounts without concern. I think we have been married about 12 years now and have one four year old. I have full access to her salary- she works but I do not.

These are the last throes for all of us on this forum, please try and rise to the occasion.

Focusing upon us lot probably isn't the best business model in the world. However, I seriously doubt that Dave's ESL is doing all that great these days either.

I say that you're honestly sinful, if that makes any sense. I'd probably respect you a lot more than those that claim to be squeaky clean.

Sounds like the hive mind of middle aged cinderella wannabes making men's lives miserable again. Bitterness knows no bounds for some females...

I 've promised not to reveal any information about this but I will tell you what happened: I recently met an Australian ( and others ) in Pattaya. One of my Australian friends is still married in China but had fun with bar girls whilst there. A bizzare story was concocted by the Chinese ex-pat wives that his daughter in Australia had breast cancer! This caused the Aussie a lot of stresa as he was unable to contact his daughter in Sydney.

The Aussie's wife ripped him off 140, 000 AUD a few years back. He was naive and she told him foreigners can't open a bank account under their own name. He (stupidly ) deposited the money in a bank account under her name. She spent half of it on shopping, travel, and expensive meals with her friends I told D that he should have learned to speak Chinese. Smart men NEVER put money in a Chinese woman's bank account!.

I 've said all that needs to be said. Beth worked at EF and poster a shit video on this site. That is a fact. As for being snitched on, I disagree with that. Like you I have a fairly good idea of who it was. This site is apparently for sale. That could mean the removal of all existing posters on this site. No big deal, happens in business all the time. People have my e-mail if they want to keep in touch. If not, good luck to them.

She wasn't on the whole happy with EF as she mentioned; however, she had taken on a contract and good teachers usually complete their contracts without running away- no names no pack drills. I note that her critics like to run away from jobs, even to the tune of two jobs in two weeks. One has a world-wide reputation of running away and has done it in North Africa , China and other places, so recent investigations I have had commissioned inform me.

I would like to wish all my friends on this site the best wishes now we all should start saying our goodbyes.

u,u,u...fine for circus:)

As for Turnoi, I no longer have any loyalty to him. Starting to happen with Nanning ex-pats I used to hang out with also. Recently there has been much discord among the Nanning-Taipei ex-pat group, mainly due to the idiotic actions of the Chinese wives. If ever I needed evidence of the greed, dishonesty and expediency of Chinese women it has been proven beyond doubt in the past week.

What I am pointing out is that there is nothing special about this woman.

That's absurd, she was special being the most knowledgeable person as far as English is concerned on the site at the time. Those were the good old days when there wasn't a cigarette paper of difference between you and Turnoi and what you both believed- he even gave tacit support for them pink rooms hahaha!. The situation was this: He was getting dragged around the cage like a five foot lion tamer, and you being the loyal soul you are you felt duty-bound to support him. The fact that he's relabeled you an embarrassing turd is not Beth's doing, and I agree you have been loyal to him and you don't deserve it.

Now, we are all about to be mothballed, so let's go meekly into that great beyond.

I wasted £9 on a new ball-cock valve for my cistern. I then found a 75p repair kit in Wilkinson. As it turned out I could have cleaned the salts off of the old diaphragm and not even spent 75p. All fixed now though. End of half term and Esther returns to school today. Good luck again if we don't chat further.

I consider myself to be morally superior to him and most of the other posters on
here these days.

I know some posters on here better than you think. I have spoken on the phone to some and e-mailed others multiple times ( not just Turnoi) He seems to not like me now but that's fine. I consider myself to be morally superior to him and most of the other posters on here these days.

She may have some shit qualification like a TEFL or CELTA or the like. As for a teaching degree, definitely not. You give this LG ( Beth) way too much credibility that she does not deserve. She has posted video on here of herself working at EF (strike one ) The video was terrible and proves that she is not very good at her job ( strike two ) As for being snitched on though she did not deserve that. We know who is responsible.

You again have posted useless drivel. Seems you are one of Taffy's aka Beelzebub's etc. sock puppets. No, I won't cover my face as, unlike you, I have got nothing to hide, you faceless coward!
Go back to your Mom and ask for a lollipop, lol.

But you should cover your face on the pics.

Reading so much of the drivel, one may wonder whether the amount of messages count more than the value they have to offer.