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#1 Parent Kei - 2004-06-13
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Ron and CJ, you are part of the smart and talented America I love.
God bless you and America always.

Kei from Korea

#2 Parent boots43 - 2004-06-12
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CJ, did you read Tim's post before agreeing with Ron? Just curious

#3 Parent CJ - 2004-06-12
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I agree Ron.

Apparently work illegally in somebody else's country is perfectly acceptable and actually patriotic.

Not in my name.

#4 Parent boots43 - 2004-06-12
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Dave, one word in reply to your post.

AMEN!

#5 Parent boots43 - 2004-06-12
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A racist is a person who discriminates on the basis of race. To call Tim a racist is uncalled for. You can certainly say he shouldn't have broken the laws, but he is not a racist. Unless you want to claim that he is TOO much in love with Koreans and Korean culture. The man practically wrote the Korean national anthem with his praises of Koreans and Korean culture!

But then you may be talking about small 't' tim. Your use of the English language and spelling (and,yes, this does count- this is an ESL forum after all!) in your post was rather poor (judgement by a 27 years of experience teacher with masters degrees in both English and education)and could lead to a confusion about which Tim/tim you were talking about, but I believe it was Tim and not tim. If so, please call him a law-breaker(though he admits as much and it would be redundant to do so), but not a racist. You have no evidence for that and the word "racist" is used all too loosely in this forum.

#6 Parent boots43 - 2004-06-12
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Ron, which Tim are you referring to? I am honestly confused about which one you are talking about - the long story or the short one?

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

#7 Parent Kim - 2004-06-12
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"Tim's post is sad because he accurately judged inchon and hangul to be racist?"

You want to know what is a racist:

1- Accept an invititation and a pre-paid flight (schools spend 1000s in recruiting fee, visa letters, and plane ticket) to come to teach english in Korea, with the idea of quitting the job within a few days of arrival and start working illegally. RACIST and ABUSER

2- Keep saying that is the fault of korean immigration. sound like if the security guard of the bank next corner is sleeping, then we can all brake the safe and steal the money. RACIST and THIEF

3- post messages in forums to boast and let other know, RACIST and IMMATURE

4- Blame the Koreans of anti foreigner if they make a comment about it: RACIST and IDIOT

5- for others to support this, RACIST and HIPOCRITES

#8 Parent Dave - 2004-06-11
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And your specific point is? You state you are an American and a Englsih teacher. Tim's post is sad because he accurately judged inchon and hangul to be racist?

Not only is your post sad but it lacks substance.

Have a great day!

Dave

#9 Parent Ron Marshall - 2004-06-11
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Hey Tim,

Awful story.

I am a proud American. I am an English teacher.
We Americans are good hearted, but we are huge hypocrites. Our country is unfortunately run by those who buy our politicians off. Pls don't lecture Koreans on democracy, morals....

Your inane rambling:

"you are a racist. You hate America and you hate Americans."

Sad excuse for a post.

Ron

#10 Parent Michael Joseph Beauchot - 2004-06-11
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The documentation laws in South Korea serve to protect hagwons from competition by foreign individual free-lancers. I am not justifying breaking the laws, but sometimes the breaking of laws becomes a conscience thing, does it not?

#11 Parent A better man today! - 2004-06-11
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This teacher from Australia worked in South korea undocumented for eight years - was finally deported back to Australia. Following, his first reaction: South Koreans are so racist.

I was wrong. I realize now that.

JUDGE ME BY THE FOOTPRINTS I LEAVE BEHIND

#12 Parent Michael Joseph Beauchot - 2004-06-10
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I guess according to Hangul that would make the former President of Korea, the owner of one of their largest restaurants, and several other Koreans - especially the ones in charge of awarding the sang chang - scumbags.

I doubt Hangul really means that, but by his characterization of Tim as a scumbag - and all those that support him as scumbags, that's exactly what he has said.

My wife(Chinese) and I( American) have been hired to begin teaching in South Korea (her first job there, my second)this year - so we are not blacklisted, but I will say that some Koreans are anti-Americans and some are racists. Most aren't. the vast majority are as Tim and I both found them - and I am looking forward to my wife having that ame experience - loving, caring, intelligent, and thoughtful hard-working people.

Good day to you, Hangul. I hope you can overcome YOUR prejudices and read what's written - and not what you see in it with your anti-attitude

#13 Parent Hangul - 2004-06-10
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How is that black listed teachers in Korea bring this crap of Korean being anti-american or racist. The point is that Tim (whatever his name or nationality) is a degrace to other english teachers by showing off and boasting how he made all that money working illegally in Korea. A scumbag always a scumbag and all supporting scumbags, also scumbags. no matter which country he or they come from.

Tim - 2004-06-10
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I certainly didn't mean to imply that Koreans were easy to fool. But since you brought the subject up, the only person trying to fool anyone is you. Because you know that wasn't what I was trying to convey, but you falsely made an accusation as though I had because you are a racist. You hate America and you hate Americans. But I will tell you, sir, that I loved and still do love Korea. Many of my best and brightest memories lie in Korea, yet today. Let me list the things about Korea that I love.

I love how much Koreans sacrifice for their children.

I love the way in which Koreans treat old people.

I love that when a Korean offers a gift he has no alterior motive, he means it. He wants you to have it. He insists that you have it.

I love Korean's desire for self betterment and their love for learning.

I love the ancient history of Korea: The three kindom period of Silla, Paekche and Koguro., the Samguksagi; General Yi Sun Shin and the story of his might turtle boats; so many wonderful pices of history.

I love and deeply respect the Korean work ethic.

I love Korean pottery - I think its among the best in the world.

Mr. "Inchon" I could continue to write for hours all the things I love and admire about Korea and Koreans. I would also like to say how thankful I am to Korea and the Korean people and to the Korean Government.

On my very first morning after I arrived in Korea, I was staying a few days at the house of a Korean friend whom I had studied with at Indiana University. When his father learned that I was coming to Korea, he insisted that I stay at his home until I got settled. His son had got into some legal trouble in Bloomington involving getting drunk and doing some damage to several parked cars along 3rd street and he was arrested. I went to court with my friend and was admittted as a "friend of the court" to translate for the son. But I did more than translate. Midway through the proceedings, I stunned the prosecutor when I asked the Judge for permission to speak. I then informed the Judge that as a first time offender for a minor misdemenor offense, the case should have been sent to the pre-trial deversion program (PDP). Prior to even appearing in court, I made my friend go to the police department and get a list of the names and addresses of all the cars he had damaged. I then went with my friend to the homes of the 8 people where my friend say he was sorry and he paid the damages to each person on the spot. I then went with my friend to the office of the dean. The dean agreed to place him on probation and not expel him due to having made full restitution on his own without being ordered to due so. The judge hearing this, dismissed the case pending admission into the pre-trial diversion program. So my friend's father was very kind to me and told me simply that I had helped his son and that he wanted to do something for me. Mr. "Inchon" if you asked that man if he thought that I made "fools" of Korean people, I would guess that he would tell you, "no."

That man, was the first person who was brought into the Seoul Prosecutor's office during the Roh Tae Woo graft scandal in 96-97. He is the owner of the Korea's largest restaurant (Ko Yang San Chun) as well as the chairman of the bank. He was cleared because when asked by Roh's people if the slush fund money could be hid in his bank, he refused.

Getting back to my first full day in Korea, that morning, I woke very early and went with my friend and his father to a nearby Mok Yok Tang (bath house). After we finished bathing, he asked me if I would like to come to his restaurant for breakfast, and I agreed. As we made our way up the windy, steep road near Buk Han San mountain, I noticed a large group of well-dressed men all over the place. They were Korea Secret Service agents. After getting out of the car, and being searched, we were led by the agents into one of the elaborate, ornate private dining rooms where already seated was none other than Kim Young Sam, the President of Korea. I deeply bowed and remained silent through most of the conversation and breakfast. As the President was leaving, my friend's father introduced me, and I spoke what little Korean that I knew, remembering to add "Dae Tong Yong" when I addressed him. President Kim deeply smiled and said, Welcome to Korea." Mr. "Inchon," if you were to ask Kim Yong Sam if he thought that I had made fools of the Korean people I guess that he would say, "no." Oh by the way, Mr "Inchon," have you ever met the President of Korea? I didn't think so.

I am also the receipient of a "sang chang," or an official government citation given to me by Choo Don Shik, the then-Minister of Culture and Sports. It was presented to me for my "...actions and efforts to improve Korean - American relations..." It is an extremely high honor. By the way, Mr. "Inchon," do you have a sang chang? I didn't think so.

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