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#1 Parent Rheno747, B.A., M.A., PhD, Hard Knocks U - 2006-05-19
Take the leap - Teachers Discussion

If you are determined to do it, you should have no problems. Go to the course, bear down on it, and you'll be fine. Don't go in like a scared rabbit. You'll be beaten before you even get started.

You'll be fine.

#2 Parent Raoul Duke - 2006-05-18
CELTA Questions - Teachers Discussion

Not entirely sure what you're driving at here, Steffi... What do you mean by "overstrained" with the CELTA course?

If you mean "Will it be too difficult for me since my English is non-native?" the answer is No. It'll definitely solidify your grasp of English grammar- just as it often does for native speakers- but if your English is good enough for you to seriously contemplate teaching it in the first place, then you should be able to handle this too.

Who's in YOUR section of the course can vary. Overall it runs the gamut. Not all are native speakers, and doubtless a few are not experienced, either. Stop worrying about the other kids and just go do your best. ;-{)

Raoul

#3 Parent Steffi - 2006-05-18
CELTA course - Teachers Discussion

Hi there,

I have a question concerning the CELTA course. I am studying English in Germany, so I have a good command of the English language, but I am not a native speaker and I have never taught English before.Am I maybe overstrained with the CELTA course? Are all the participants of the course native speaker with teaching experiences?

Kind Regards

Steffi

#4 Parent Howard Zinn, historian - 2005-05-06
Why you should avoid Thailand--opinions from one who knows - ESL discussion

I agree with the post from RT. If you are interested in making or saving money, you should travel to Korea to get your TESOL or CELTA training. I personally haven't seen any schools online in Taiwan that will give free training, but Korea has such places.

I recently taught in Thailand, so I'll sum up why you should avoid Thailand from the get-go. I hope this helps you, along with others who are considering coming here:

1. If you take the TESOL/CELTA training in Thailand, you won't have a chance to get it for free. No schools that I know of here offer free training. Like I said above, some in Korea do offer free training.

2. If you take the teacher training in Thailand, you will have to get here somehow. Most people come by plane. If you come here to take the course, you'll have to cover the airfare expense yourself, and you won't get reimbursed for it later if you go to work here after you graduate. If you fly to Korea after you finish the course, you will get reimbursed only for the Thailand-Korea leg.

3. Thailand's pay is far too low for a country whose schools don't reimburse for airfare. You can make 3 or even 4 times Thailand's pay levels in Korea plus you'll get your plane ticket expense back.

4. Thailand's academic standards, at least outside of Bangkok, are too low. At a school where I taught near Lopburi, a '50' was a 'D'. Grade inflation is also prevalent at this school. Thai students not college-bound can goof off and still get a good GPA. And if they don't get a good GPA, it's YOUR fault.
What's 'goofing off'? Talking, doing homework, horseplaying, sleeping, or even getting up and leaving without permission. You don't need it.

5. Thailand's universities weigh a student's GPA too lightly when considering a candidate for admission. This means students don't have to try too hard in the classroom, and they don't, believe me. In my classes, cheating was prevalent, and students often slept, talked, and even engaged in horseplay in the classroom during lessons. And these were the college-bound seniors!

6. Most Thai students won't respect you--they'll think you are a loser being as you are HERE in Thailand and not back in a good job in the western world. Who can blame them for thinking this?

7. Thai schools don't really care about the quality of their teachers. Westerners come here all the time passing themselves off as teachers when they are really just sad sap drunks who need to come to a place that will hire them AND allow them to continue sucking on beer bottles. If a teacher here sleeps through his 8:40 a.m. class because he still hung over or drunk, nobody cares. If anyone DID care, this kind of crap wouldn't be going on to begin with. And it goes on, believe me.

8. Thai bathrooms are filthy. Most have no toilet paper, soap, sink, or towels. They usually don't even have running water save for the basin valve and squirter. Yes, this means that when a Thai is done in the bathroom, he doesn't bother to wash his hands. Sure, he might use the squirter to clean up, but is that REALLY dirt I see under the typical Thai's fingernails? When H5N1 arrives, and it is going to arrive, the bathroom habits of the Thai are what will cause most of the deaths. I don't wanna be in Thailand when it hits, and you don't either.

I hope I've covered all the bases. I hope I've gotten my point across. Take my advice and avoid Thailand if you're serious about teaching.

HZ

#5 Parent RhenoThai - 2005-05-06
My advice to you is....... - ESL discussion

Nancy, I assume you have a bachelor's degree. If you don't, you need to get one. Here in Thailand as
well as many other countries in Asia, it's required (thankfully) to get a job as an English teacher.

Now.....for my advice. If money is no issue, by all means take the CELTA. It's a good course. If you take the TESOL, make sure it's the 120 hours/6 hours program. Those are really good as well. However, if you are 'careful' with your money--if you're a tightwad or you're on a budget--then I would go to Korea or Taiwan to get the training. Some schools there will actually train you for free. I don't know if these TESOLs are recognized outside of Korea/Taiwan, so you'll have to check. My guess is they are. As long as you have a white face and are a native speaker, you're set in this part of the world if you have a BA/BS and a certificate. Even if you can't find a school in Korea or Taiwan that will take you on and train you for free, you'll still be better off going to one of those countries than coming to a country like Thailand. After you finish training in Korea or Taiwain, you will be able to get a job with a school that will reimburse you for your plane ticket. If you fly to Thailand and take a CELTA or TESOL, you will foot the airfare to come take the course, as if you do get a job here, you won't get reimbursed for your plane ticket and you'll get paid a LOT less than Korea or Taiwan. Besides, you don't know if you'll even like teaching. People come here all the time because they think they want to be teachers. They fly here on their own, drop a chunk of change on a TESOL or CELTA course, get a job that pays 700-900 a month with no airfare reimbursement, then leave after a year because they don't like it. Thailand's novelty wears off quickly. There are LOTS of things here that will aggravate the hell out of you. If you're gonna get aggravated, make sure it's in a place where you'll at least be earning a good salary.

Take it from a guy who made some wrong moves.....go to Korea or Taiwan and avoid places like Thailand altogether if you want to make/save money.

RhenoThai--telling like it is since 2004

#6 Parent AjarnJim - 2005-05-03
CELTA - ESL discussion

If you have never taught before, I strongly urge taking the CELTA course. I took it in Siam Square, Bangkok, Thailand and thought the instruction was fantastic. I came into the course with several years teaching experience, but still gained valuable hands on techniques I'd never learned. I owed it to myself and my students after teaching so long without any formal training (B.A in Literature)to get some professional development. The CELTA course is internationally recognized and well worth the time and money. Good luck!

Nancy Concannon - 2005-04-07
CELTA Coursework and Notes - ESL discussion

I'm thinking of retraining as a Foreign Language Teacher but have a good career in TV and am nervous with the limited information I have. I would like to see the Coursework to get a more comprehensive idea about the course level and requirements and what is expected of me before I give up a lucrative career and pay out 700 Pounds. Am happy to pay ....

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